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    Posted: 28/July/2007 at 16:40
Okay, I'm making one of my frequent trips to Youtube trying to find a "WWE Sucks" video to watch for a good laugh or two, and then I find this guy who keeps saying "[So and So] sucks, he doesn't have a passion for the business". I think that is complete bull! How can we judge a wrestler's passion for the business (is that even possible?)? I mean, just cause I don't care a whole lot for the Great Khali doesn't mean that I'm gonna accuse him of not having any passion for the business. If he didn't, wouldn't he have just stayed in India bodybuilding? If there is a wrestler on TV or just working in a promotion in general, don't you think they have some degree of passion? I will say that when guys like Steve-O, Mr.T, and Denis Rodmann show up on a show it's not that hard to think they did it for a little pay check cause its not what they do, its just a guest appearance. But guys like Batista, John Cena, and Lashley go out there and put their bodies on the line several days a year, and its a little hard to not be passionate about something and than go out to possibly injure yourself for it...
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I think you should reply to the official Bill and Doug thread mate that's not got one yet lol. I think most guys in the business have a passion for it, because if they didn't they wouldn't be around long anyway with the schedule. Like Brock Lesnar he had it all but wasn't happy and so quit. The Rock is another that didn't have the passion no more and wanted to do something else. Khali on the otherhand could be home in India, doing bodybuilding still or making another movie. To say he's not passion for the business would be wrong I feel.
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Originally posted by admin admin wrote:

I think you should reply to the official Bill and Doug thread mate that's not got one yet lol. I think most guys in the business have a passion for it, because if they didn't they wouldn't be around long anyway with the schedule. Like Brock Lesnar he had it all but wasn't happy and so quit. The Rock is another that didn't have the passion no more and wanted to do something else. Khali on the otherhand could be home in India, doing bodybuilding still or making another movie. To say he's not passion for the business would be wrong I feel.
 
Already did Admin, and you're right about how not enough people post on that particular topic. And its true about the guys who no longer have passion for wrestling have gotten out and moved on to other things.
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The thing is that it's not so rare anymore to see workers having a questionable passion for this business. I personally know a few indy workers in my area that openly said that they're not wrestling to make a career out of it but just to have fun. One of them could've actually broken in some major indy promotions but he never really was passionate enough to achieve it.

I think it's more sad when it touches someone like Carlito (I'm not implying at all that Carlito lacks passion here), who comes from a rich family tradition in wrestling.
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Originally posted by admin admin wrote:

Like Brock Lesnar he had it all but wasn't happy and so quit.

I think after looking at Brock and maybe Goldberg in recent times this is a very interesting topic. 

The initial post poses a good question that is not easy to answer, because it at least in part involves in essence what amounts to psychologically reading people (which most fans think they can anyway.) But I would say that to truly judge a performer's passion for the business, more than one thing must be looked at. One needs to look beyond their performance in the ring, but their overall demeanor, the way they behave in the locker room, work ethic and training efforts, interaction with fans, even to a lesser degree their internet posts or other public statements. And even then it's hard to judge, as someone might like wrestling but not like people (as I heard has been said about Brock.) 

This reminds me of the arguments me and Rico (and others on his side) had when Ronda Rousey first came in and was immediately put in the spotlight. I said she (at the time) hadn't paid her dues and stand by it. But one thing I will give Rico credit for is that he presented a clear case of Rousey's passion for wrestling, which I never doubted. Being close with Rowdy Roddy Piper before he passed, she obviously did/does love the sport.   

And of course with me mentioning Piper that brings up his thoughts on Mr. T, whom was already mentioned in this thread. But we have had that argument/debate. 

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The Rock is another that didn't have the passion no more and wanted to do something else.


I don't know about that one, Adders. I would never say someone who grew up with a wrestling family would ever not have a passion for wrestling. I would say he just moved on to other ventured to broaden his career. 


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The Rock unquestionably had huge passion for the wrestling business and still does. He smartly made the move to Hollywood when the opportunity presented itself because he realised he could make a lot more money in a career where he didn't have to take bumps - something he knew he couldn't do forever and could end at any time with one bad injury - and could do for a lot longer, he can work in Hollywood until the day he decides to retire from all kinds of work. Also by the time the movie offers started to flood in Rock had accomplished everything in WWE, he'd headlined multiple Wrestlemania's, won the Royal Rumble, held the World title several times and had many memorable matches, storylines and feuds and had established himself as a top star in the business with mainstream appeal. He distanced himself from wrestling for a number of years due to pressure from Hollywood executives but he would of course eventually come back for a huge programme with John Cena that spanned over a 3 year period and was a fitting way to put a full stop on the in ring career of The Rock. I just wish he'd never had that impromptu 3 second match with Rowan a few years back as history books will show that as his final match as Rock has recently announced his official retirement from wrestling.


As for guys who didn't really have passion for the business I would point to Goldberg, Brock Lesnar and The Ultimate Warrior, three guys who didn't grow up dreaming of being pro wrestlers but transitioned into the business through their look, size and/or athletic credentials, Warrior and Goldberg were not enamoured with the business but did take their character's and the way they were presented very seriously. I think the same can be said of Brock, I'm not sure he's a huge wrestling fan he probably doesn't watch it when he's not there and its said his attitude is very clock in clock out, its well known hes not a people person and doesn't go out of his way to do PR and media work and I don't think he's particularly social with the other talent, same can be said of Goldberg and Warrior who were also said to be loners during their prime years. Speaking as someone who lives his life much the same way I can say there is nothing wrong with that its a personal choice and not something people should hold against you but I get its probably tough for other people to accept in a business where you are expected to integrate into the system and show respect to your peers.
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