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Poll Question: What is your favorite submission hold?
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Hells Gate is easily my favourite submission move - would be absolutely brutal to have it applied to you 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote 2Bme Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10/March/2014 at 23:15
I selected CM Punk's Anaconda Vice.  It's a legitimate submission move that is painful as hell and can be very devistating as much as the Kimura lock.  The problem is how it's applied.  Very tedious and must be precise to be effective.
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This thread is awesome, details of how submission holds are executed and how they work with an examination of minute differences between them complete with pictures (although as happens some of them have since disappeared.)  

My favorite submission hold (assuming that this is an "of all time" thread as it appears to be) is the Sharpshooter, in part because I am such a huge Bret Hart fan/mark but also I do think it looks like it gets the job done. I loved it when Owen did it and when Nattie executes it today. I also thought it was a cool move when Rugged Ronnie Garvin did it in the WWF a few years before Bret did, as it was (falsely) known as an Indian Death Lock.  

One other one I love is the Figure Four, but around the opponent's head. I have seen Charlotte do this at times. 

Then of course there is the Figure Four around the ringpost, as done by people like Bret Hart and Kurt Angle. This move was often done in the early attitude era and during the peak of it. I loved it as it just took a classic submission to a new level while elevating the character of the person who executes the move as being someone who fights aggressively and doesn't care as it is technically an illegal move. 

Of course I do love the original Figure Four on the legs, my favorite guy to do that being Greg The Hammer Valentine. In the early 80's it was made to look so dangerous with how many people's legs the move "broke." 

Speaking of the Indian Death Lock I love it when Hunter Hearst Helmsley pulls it out in a match, he is one of few I've seen to execute the move the real right way besides Nick Bockwinkel.

I am also fond of the Texas Clover Leaf as executed by Dean Malenko and Dory Funk Jr. It just looks beautiful. 

I do love a good armbar (the kind where the opponent is on his or her back) when it is executed properly, properly executed defined as how Asuka does it and early Alberto Del Rio. 

I am also fond of A.J. Lee's Black Widow, even though that's pretty much the only good move she's ever done. 


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rico Len Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05/January/2018 at 17:13
Charlotte used to do a figure four headlock, roll them over and pound their faces into the mat from that position. I really liked that she went that far with it.

... I wonder if I could go back and find good pictures to update my OP?
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Sharpshooter for me - why because it’s legit. I remember as a kid larking around playing wrestling with my pals, that move is genuinely agonising, if applied right even someone with the greatest of pain tolerance would be tapping in seconds.

I loved when Bret Hart used it that the hold was treated as genuinely devestating. Pretty much everyone no matter their status on the card would tap out if Bret wrapped them up in the hold. These days it’s treated like a random submission move that many use and hardly anyone taps to it and nobody has it as a finisher, this is a real shame, it’s gone the route of the once equally devastating DDT.

Bret was the only one who applied it properly, nowadays when talent use it they don’t sit right back and you can tell they aren’t applying any real pressure.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rico Len Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05/January/2018 at 17:46
Bret, Owen, Natty have all used it quite well.

Also, check back soon, and I am in the process of updating my OP so that the pictures aren't dead links.

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As an addition, here is Samoa Joe doing his Rear Naked Choke.

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BTW, make sure you have your "safesearch" turned on for that google image search. Holy shit, what has been seen can not be unseen.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote LennyComa Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05/January/2018 at 19:11
Hells Gate. When applied properly in MMA the poor bastard receiving it coughs up blood. That's fucking Brutal
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Originally posted by LennyComa LennyComa wrote:

Hells Gate. When applied properly in MMA the poor bastard receiving it coughs up blood. That's fucking Brutal


Yeah it’s great that they’ve incorporated many MMA submissions in to Wrestling, makes it more realistic.
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I would say the armbar yes its simple but its painful as hell I had it locked in on me once tried to hold out so I could lift me and the person who was applying it to me up but I couldn't tapped out almost immediately it was so painful I thought something had been broken or something had torn.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote #Heel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06/January/2018 at 11:57
I originally voted back in 2014, however my choice remains the same - Hells gate is an absolutely brutal submission move and appears to be the most difficult to get out of
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