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Poll Question: What is your favorite submission hold?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote #Heel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21/April/2018 at 13:42
Originally posted by Kondor Kondor wrote:

Originally posted by #Heel #Heel wrote:

Originally posted by Kondor Kondor wrote:


How come Brock doesn't do moves like this anymore??
 

because he squashed everyone with suplex after suplex and F5 after F5 

Right, and I am saying that I would rather have him incorporate moves like this into his current repertoire, as all that while good to watch is getting to be a tad repetitive every match. 

How awesome would it have been if he had followed up all those suplexes and F5's and tied Roman Reigns in this at WrestleMania, either before or after he bloodied him? 

Oh theres no doubt i agree with you that he should incorporate more moves but hes become a robot in the ring essentially with the way his matches have been booked lately - thats why i wanted Reigns to win so badly at Mania and im not even that big on Reigns.

I remember going back a few years, the IWC and infact all wrestling fans in general were all over Cena due to his lack of variation in the ring, the 5 moves of doom, as it was commonly known. Lesnar is essentially becoming now what Cena was back then (taking away the respect for the company that Cena has and the additional work load Cena put in) yet Brock still does not get the backlash from the fans.

Is that because he is seen as cooler due to his "attitude" and prior MMA background. Having that MMA background alone should be grounds for adding in more submission style holds and a more awkward style in the ring - look how brutal some of Pete Dunnes moves look - simple things like that would have Lesnar come across as still this bad ass but with a bit more brutality, calculation and to be honest from my point of view he would become far more interesting.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote 4 of em Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22/April/2018 at 02:42
I will throw one out , how about Lex Lugers Torture Rack ? Actually saw Eric Rowan use it at live event and it got a huge pop.
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So I was looking around youtube and found this video, where two trained MMA fighters compare MMA vs PW submission holds, how legitimate the PW holds are, how best to get out or counter the holds, and if a hold isn't legit what a realistic alternative an MMA fighter might use instead.

They've got at least 5 episodes that I know of, I've only just found this about an hour ago, and they appear to compare 5 holds per episode. The first 5 they show are the Angle Lock, the Figure 4, the Crippler Crossface, Dragon Sleeper, and Boston Crab.

The verdict on these is kind of surprising.

Given the roots of PW, I really wish people would do more mimicking of MMA style fights. The whole point of pro-wrestling from the fans perspective back in the day was to watch a legitimate combat sport, so why PW companies these days don't give the fans what they're actually after is beyond me. Give them a realistic combat sports performance, and then fuse in the over-the-to characters and cool storylines to go with it.

If anyone were to ever attempt that (not even AEW seems to do this) then videos like this are the ones to watch.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kondor Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24/October/2019 at 10:09
Originally posted by Rico Len Rico Len wrote:

Given the roots of PW, I really wish people would do more mimicking of MMA style fights. The whole point of pro-wrestling from the fans perspective back in the day was to watch a legitimate combat sport, so why PW companies these days don't give the fans what they're actually after is beyond me. Give them a realistic combat sports performance,

My word Rico you and I couldn't be any more different. I came in this thread to talk about how awesome Rhea Ripley's submission finisher is... and I see this. I could not disagree more, lol. 

I said it before and I'll say it again, I can't stand the MMA style and don't like it when a professional wrestler adapts MMA moves. I didn't like it when Jeff Jarrett did it in TNA (as I mention earlier in this thread), didn't like it when Brock was incorporating an MMA style when he first came back in 2012, don't give a damn about Cain Velasquez, and don't want to see anyone else doing such similar styles. 

I like wrestling, wrestling has its own style, and I want to keep it. It's bad enough things like the "feel out process" at the start of a match and other aspects of ring psychology is dying, along with the art of the classic big man wrestling on top of that. 

And once again, the only reason you need MMA style moves to view a match as being more "realistic" is because you're not watching wrestling as if it is real, or not "suspending disbelief" properly as they say. 

You and I will never agree on this, not probably ever. Wink

Now... for why I actually came in this thread... 







...that ^^^. Shocked 

Inverted cloverleaf they're calling it; but elevated.  
 

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