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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Fletch Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18/March/2013 at 22:16
Originally posted by admin admin wrote:

Originally posted by Fletch Fletch wrote:

Ha ha yeah been way too tweenerish in recent times, need to revert to my heel roots, I'm like the Randy Orton of TUP. Big smile


1) Fletcher has one child to his lady and it's a daughter.
2) Fletcher has been known to enjoy smoking some naturally grown produce before.
3) Fletcher has beady little eyes.

I can see why the other half of Fletchmin is similar to Randall Keith Orton.
Add to that.....
 
Has a keen interest in Reptiles.
 
Has been known to be a source of annoyance to his employers in the past.
 
Is no fan of politics in the work-place.
 
Is often a man of few words.
 
However I have not yet.....
 
Taken a dump in a ladies personal belongings.
 
I dont hear voices in my head. Tongue
 
 
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Originally posted by Fletch Fletch wrote:

However I have not yet.....
 
Taken a dump in a ladies personal belongings.
 
I dont hear voices in my head. Tongue
 


I like to think I know my fellow Fletchmin pal quite well without the need to wait for the Best Of Fletch triple dvd coming to the TUP online store to purchase shortly (now that dvd would make a good thread if someone took the time to make it sound good). But i'm guessing.......

1) You don't have a stalker called Maria.
2) You aren't a fake tan fan.
3) You don't talk extremely slowly.
4) You don't take photos of you out of the shower in just a small white towel.

DISCLAIMER: Pimpy might know otherwise.


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Originally posted by admin admin wrote:

Originally posted by Fletch Fletch wrote:

However I have not yet.....
 
Taken a dump in a ladies personal belongings.
 
I dont hear voices in my head. Tongue
 


I like to think I know my fellow Fletchmin pal quite well without the need to wait for the Best Of Fletch triple dvd coming to the TUP online store to purchase shortly (now that dvd would make a good thread if someone took the time to make it sound good). But i'm guessing.......

1) You don't have a stalker called Maria.
2) You aren't a fake tan fan.
3) You don't talk extremely slowly.
4) You don't take photos of you out of the shower in just a small white towel.

DISCLAIMER: Pimpy might know otherwise.
 
Dont have a middle-aged woman by the name of Maria stalking me that I know of but anythings possible.
 
Definitely not a lover of fake tan or baby-oil.
 
Not known to talk v.........................ery slowly in a Robocop-esque voice.
 
No comment on the towel thing but can assure you unlike young Randall any such pics would have only been intended for the eyes of ladies. LOL
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Originally posted by IDIOTdella IDIOTdella wrote:


Then to be honest, I think that code of conduct needs to be changed in some way where it does take into account how the recipient of an insult has taken it. In my opinion, an insult is only an insult if the recipient has been offended by it, if they haven't been then it's just words, which suggests that that code of conduct as it stands right now allows a Moderator to arbitrarily issue warnings and suspensions just because in some cases the most that has occurred has been an expression of a few negative adjectives directed at one specific person.

At the end of the day words have a definite meaning. The meaning can not be minced, and given context it can be pretty cut and dry as to the intention. If I shoot a gun at you and miss, I'm still guilty of trying to kill you, even if the law only states thou shalt not kill. Thus is the job of a moderator, to make the judgement call based on the rules of the board and uphold them. Again, you the victim are all but irrelevant in regards to the moderator's job of upholding the rules of the board.

And I should state again, this is just my opinion... to quote Joey from Friends, the point is moo, you know? it's like a cow's opinion, it doesn't matter. If at the end of the day, Kondor, Admin, and Joe say otherwise I'm just a cow.

Originally posted by IDIOTdella IDIOTdella wrote:

I'm just surprised you would regard yourself as a peon around here. Someone with power doesn't mean you're anything less than them

Around here? I do, I've been here all of what 6 months? A lot of the guys here have been here for years. This board is not a free society, it's a dictatorship run by Admin and Joe in whatever way they see fit. The only choice I have here is to either abide by the rules, or get my ass booted out.

I can piss and moan all I want about how Kondor may police the board, but as long as he's got Admin and Joe backing him, it means absolutely dick. So yeah, peon, perhaps a popular one, perhaps not, that's irrelevant, but I know my role.

OFF of this board is a totally different matter entirely.
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Originally posted by Fletch Fletch wrote:

Dont have a middle-aged woman by the name of Maria stalking me that I know of but anythings possible.
 
Definitely not a lover of fake tan or baby-oil.
 
Not known to talk v.........................ery slowly in a Robocop-esque voice.
 
No comment on the towel thing but can assure you unlike young Randall any such pics would have only been intended for the eyes of ladies. LOL


The official 'Best Of Fletch' triple DVD will also have the following, which far as i'm aware Randall doesn't share with you like......

1) Being gay for snow.
2) Liking stories about car exhausts.
3) Eating a nice Surf & Turf.
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Originally posted by IDIOTdella IDIOTdella wrote:

Anyway, I think I see both sides of the coin to a point to be honest. Seeing a splurge of derogatory names in a post directed at an individual I'd say at best is not aesthetically pleasing and also may give the wrong impression to others, however, if the recipient of the name calling has not reported them, then the post can just be edited, like Joe did that time. Voila! Bad impression gone.

I think I also understand part of ihatethatmonkee's POV because I don't think his "RetardedDella quoted" and other creative name calling he's resorted to in the past has been edited out of his posts (not sure, haven't looked and to be honest I can't be arsed to go back and look either), but then I never sent a PM to complain about them or one after Raven called me a "whiny cunt" in the Bret Hart thread either (As JTB implied, there is no better place to be called that than in that thread)

On that, the only kind of Moderating I'm not particularly fond of is where someone has presumed and then acted on that presumption. For instance, I'm a mature adult. I've matured beyond being offended because a stranger on the internet decided to call me names and/or have a derogatory opinion of me - so for someone to make presumptions on my behalf and, worse, act on them, then that, in my opinion, is someone stamping their OWN authority on a situation rather than taking into consideration both parties involved and, more importantly, waiting for what the "presumed" offended party wants to do about it

Don't get me wrong, it's nice when someone 'figuratively' says in their own way that they were offended on your behalf, but it's not so nice to discover that they then went on to 'figuratively' give that person a bloody nose on your behalf as well, especially when you hadn't given any indication that it was something you wanted done anyway.

All in all, in my opinion, when it comes to insults being bandied about, if the recipients of those insults contacts a Moderator and requests something be done, then the Moderator has every right to act in accordance, weighing up the strength of the offence and also what troubles the offender might have already had imposed on him/her - the Moderator then goes in and edits out the offensive material, just like Joe did, so that any new members or visitors won't be put off by any offensive material in the posts.

However, if the recipients of the insults does not contact a Moderator to request something to be done about them, then, in my opinion, I think a certain amount of time could be allowed for the recipient to contact a Moderator, but once that allotted time has passed, then the Moderator edits the offensive material out of the post(s) and leaves it at that.

That's not to say that name calling and insults and such should be taken out of the Code of Conduct for this Forum, because I don't think they should, but shouldn't it be up to the individual recipients of the insults and name calling to determine whether they want to take it further or not?




I myself am not a fan of editing posts. Webby (Joe) edited HBKDX's initial comments to NS Male; and as designer of this site and administrator that is his prerogative. But I view editing posts as tantamount to censoring people, which I myself am not in the business of doing. 

However, as you said, a slew of name calling in a thread can give a negative impression of the forum; plus it will give the impression to others that such behavior will be tolerated and that others can get away with it. That is why a mod must act upon it in some way regardless of whether the recipient is offended or not or regardless of whether that person contacts a staff member or not. I know that you yourself and perhaps a few others might not have been offended by what was said. But it may be necessary for a staff member to act for the above reasons. 

When a staff member acts when a poster is insulted, he or she (and there has been female mods in the past) is not "presuming" that someone was offended. The staff member is making a judgement call that the behavior he or she sees on the boards is detrimental to the forum. 

Originally posted by Rico Len Rico Len wrote:

Originally posted by IDIOTdella IDIOTdella wrote:


Then to be honest, I think that code of conduct needs to be changed in some way where it does take into account how the recipient of an insult has taken it. In my opinion, an insult is only an insult if the recipient has been offended by it, if they haven't been then it's just words, which suggests that that code of conduct as it stands right now allows a Moderator to arbitrarily issue warnings and suspensions just because in some cases the most that has occurred has been an expression of a few negative adjectives directed at one specific person.
 
At the end of the day words have a definite meaning. The meaning can not be minced, and given context it can be pretty cut and dry as to the intention. If I shoot a gun at you and miss, I'm still guilty of trying to kill you, even if the law only states thou shalt not kill. Thus is the job of a moderator, to make the judgement call based on the rules of the board and uphold them. Again, you the victim are all but irrelevant in regards to the moderator's job of upholding the rules of the board.

The way I see it is basically this. What actions are appropriate is in the judgement of the staff, with Code of Conduct as a guideline but also our own judgement based on what is best for the board as a whole. That doesn't mean I/we don't listen to what others on the boards say. I have tried to consider every opinion here in this thread, for and against my decisions. But at the end of the day, it is the staff that has to make the final decision on how to proceed. 

Originally posted by Rico Len Rico Len wrote:

And I should state again, this is just my opinion... to quote Joey from Friends, the point is moo, you know? it's like a cow's opinion, it doesn't matter. If at the end of the day, Kondor, Admin, and Joe say otherwise I'm just a cow.

And for the record, of course I don't see any poster here as being a "peon"; nor do I see myself as being better than any other poster here. I am just someone who had a position given to me and am doing what I feel I need to based upon what I think is best for TUP, while admitting my mistakes. But everyone here makes up the body of this forum and makes TUP what it is; and while the staff instilling disciplinary measures is at times necessary, every poster should be valued. 


Edited by Kondor - 19/March/2013 at 00:59


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Originally posted by Kondor Kondor wrote:


Originally posted by Rico Len Rico Len wrote:

And I should state again, this is just my opinion... to quote Joey from Friends, the point is moo, you know? it's like a cow's opinion, it doesn't matter. If at the end of the day, Kondor, Admin, and Joe say otherwise I'm just a cow.

And for the record, of course I don't see any poster here as being a "peon"; nor do I see myself as being better than any other poster here. I am just someone who had a position given to me and am doing what I feel I need to based upon what I think is best for TUP, while admitting my mistakes. But everyone here makes up the body of this forum and makes TUP what it is; and while the staff instilling disciplinary measures is at times necessary, every poster should be valued. 

heheh, did you ever see that episode of friends? Holy crap that was funny. Joey was trying to say the point was moot. He actually kinda had the definition right, at least in essence, but he totally misunderstood what was actually being said. Hilarious.


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I've seen a few episodes of Friends, but I'm not really into it enough to remember any individual scenes. I don't think I've see that one. 


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So, a weird thing happened today.
 
Well actually, a variety of shitty things.
 
Tornados and severe thunderstorms hit Alabama today, and I had to drive to work, an hour and a half away. Normally. Trees and powerlines blocked the only available road I can take to get to Birmingham, so the trip turned into a 4 hour nightmare.
 
Upon arriving at work, my boss surprised me by waiting on me and telling me that if I "pulled a stunt like this again", he'd fire me.
 
Then I nearly got into a physical confrontation with an unruly guest. At the coffee shop I work at. Tell me about it.
 
Then as I was on my way home, my car broke down and completely died.
 
As I type this, I am at the police station on my school's campus waiting for my mother to come pick me up at 10:54 in the evening, and I have come to a realization. This shit doesn't really matter. Far from it, it is the least important thing that I should even devote my attention to. I was in the wrong for being a dick, and had made up my mind to not be one weeks before I was unsuspended. So in my view no matter what "grievances I thought I had, this issue is squashed on my end. I don't care if the thread is locked. It's not worth it to harbor resentment.
 
Kondor, olive branch.
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lol @ your misfortune. You should tell your boss to fuck right off and find a job less than 90 minutes away.

Edited by Raven - 19/March/2013 at 10:45
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