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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ihatethatmonkee Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17/October/2012 at 23:38
it's funny that Vince doesn't do that now, that he allowed the Anonymous Raw GM angle to just run and run with no actual end in sight...
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I don't know why people keep thinking Russo was a Booker because all he really was was a Creative Writer (though I do use that term extremely loosely in regards to Russo). I mean, yeah he's booked one off lame arsed Gimmick matches and ideas, like the Brawl For All and Pinata on a pole kind, kinds of matches that serve no other purpose (like developing a storyline for instance), other than to satisfy Russo's own sick mind of what he deems to be perfect Wrestling Entertainment. It's like those who keep referring to Jim Ross as a Colour Commentator because for a little bit of the time he would be forced to respond to Jerry Lawler's comments, but in fact he was a Play-by-Play commentator.

This is how it goes. You have Vince Russo Head of Creative and you have Dutch Mantell as the Booker. Vince Russo would approach Dutch Mantell and say something like "Hey, Dutch, have you seen that film [insert film name here] with such-n-such and such-n-such in it, man?" Dutch says he has, so Russo tells him that that's good because that's the storyline they're going to run with with the top two guys.

So then what Dutch would do is rent out the film so he could refresh his memory on the beginning, middle and the end of the storyline and then work whatever talent he thought would sell that storyline the best, until it ends on a logical conclusion where those two top men are in a match together at the end of the storyline. He'd also book whatever interference may be needed and/or a certain gimmick match, like a cage match, to further develop the storyline, or whether it should end with those two top men in a gimmick match, like cage match, and so on.

The reason I shit on Vince Russo when it comes to Creative Ability in the Wrestling Entertainment Business is because he has none. He had one good ideas during the attitude era, that being the Canadian vs American idea. The creative writing was the shits though. I can supply a link to a shoot promo Bret did which was off the cuff and getting things off his chest about Shawn Michaels and I can supply a link to something Russo had written for Bret to say in a promo which was full of fancy, frilly words that no human being on earth in reality would ever say out loud. Another claim he makes is the McMahon vs SCSA storyline, but that had already been self-written not only by SCSA but also by the fallout from the MSJ.

What are the two main things Russo takes credit for back then? Val Venis & Goldust, both sexually motivated individuals, one a Porn Star and the other a slimy, offensive bi-sexual who forces himself onto straight guys when it takes his fancy, who develops into someone suffering from Dissociative identity disorder (DID) (Multiple Personality Disorder). Huh?

My take on Russo leaving the WWF is this. He left the WWF because when the WWF developed a second brand "Smackdown", Russo suddenly discovered that he was actually going to have to work for a living. He knew he wouldn't be able to cling to the coat tails of those storylines that had been self-written not only by the wrestlers themselves but by circumstances such as the MSJ, he was now going to have to make up a whole new set of fresh ones befitting the characters already there and also ones coming in from ECW and WCW at the time - and he lasted one month and a few days doing that.

Considering how far WCW had plummetted by the time late 1999 had rolled in, Russo would fit in there like a hand ot a glove, because WCW was then a company reduced to nothing more than a gimmick company whose sole intent seemed to be to convey the message that Wrestling is Fake - which has been Russo's self-proclaimed intent throughout his entire Wrestling Entertainment Business career. To have such an intent, to ridicule its fans by trying to prove that (when they already know it's scripted), proves to me that any idea coming from that kind of motivation is going to be the shits and for me, they have been. Give Russo his due though, he knows how to ride the coattails and he knows how to shit on other people to keep himself there, but creatively, he is the shits.

I have a list of all the things he alone intro'd in the WWF storyline wise, from the time he started to have Creative Power there to when he left - and, for me, it's a list that Andrex would be proud to use as their next line of Toilet Rolls called "Russo's Genius".




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Originally posted by IDIOTdella IDIOTdella wrote:

My take on Russo leaving the WWF is this. He left the WWF because when the WWF developed a second brand "Smackdown", Russo suddenly discovered that he was actually going to have to work for a living. He knew he wouldn't be able to cling to the coat tails of those storylines that had been self-written not only by the wrestlers themselves but by circumstances such as the MSJ, he was now going to have to make up a whole new set of fresh ones befitting the characters already there and also ones coming in from ECW and WCW at the time - and he lasted one month and a few days doing that.
 
so, he left WWF to acvoid having to "work" for his living, to take a high position at WCW where he had to "work" for his living, and then he went to TNA where he's had to "work" for his living?Confused
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Originally posted by ihatethatmonkee ihatethatmonkee wrote:

Originally posted by IDIOTdella IDIOTdella wrote:

My take on Russo leaving the WWF is this. He left the WWF because when the WWF developed a second brand "Smackdown", Russo suddenly discovered that he was actually going to have to work for a living. He knew he wouldn't be able to cling to the coat tails of those storylines that had been self-written not only by the wrestlers themselves but by circumstances such as the MSJ, he was now going to have to make up a whole new set of fresh ones befitting the characters already there and also ones coming in from ECW and WCW at the time - and he lasted one month and a few days doing that.
 
so, he left WWF to acvoid having to "work" for his living, to take a high position at WCW where he had to "work" for his living, and then he went to TNA where he's had to "work" for his living?Confused

If you disagree with what I've written, then why don't you do what most grown-ups would do and instead give me an example which proves to you that Vince Russo worked hard for his money as a Creative Writer at the WCW.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Raven Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24/October/2012 at 21:17
He was the head writer in a company where Hulk Hogan had creative control. If that isn't work, I don't know what is.

But hey, you're right, maybe he sat on his ass, doing absolutely nothing. All of those pole matches and worked shoots must have been some other guy's doing.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote thundarr2000 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24/October/2012 at 21:30
Originally posted by Raven Raven wrote:

He was the head writer in a company where Hulk Hogan had creative control. If that isn't work, I don't know what is.

But hey, you're right, maybe he sat on his ass, doing absolutely nothing. All of those pole matches and worked shoots must have been some other guy's doing.
 
 
Kevin Nash also had a creative control over his character in WCW.
 
Hell, that was another part of the problem with WCW. Too many guys had too much input in creative. It didn't matter who came up with whatever storyline because a quarter of the roster could say "Nope, I'm not doing that." (OK, maybe that's an exaggeration but it's what it felt like.)
 
 
 
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Originally posted by IDIOTdella IDIOTdella wrote:

Originally posted by ihatethatmonkee ihatethatmonkee wrote:

Originally posted by IDIOTdella IDIOTdella wrote:

My take on Russo leaving the WWF is this. He left the WWF because when the WWF developed a second brand "Smackdown", Russo suddenly discovered that he was actually going to have to work for a living. He knew he wouldn't be able to cling to the coat tails of those storylines that had been self-written not only by the wrestlers themselves but by circumstances such as the MSJ, he was now going to have to make up a whole new set of fresh ones befitting the characters already there and also ones coming in from ECW and WCW at the time - and he lasted one month and a few days doing that.
 
so, he left WWF to acvoid having to "work" for his living, to take a high position at WCW where he had to "work" for his living, and then he went to TNA where he's had to "work" for his living?Confused

If you disagree with what I've written, then why don't you do what most grown-ups would do and instead give me an example which proves to you that Vince Russo worked hard for his money as a Creative Writer at the WCW.

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you want me to quote the internet?
 
congratulations on spreading your crappy ideas and notions outside of the TNA thread for once, good to see you're a consistently annoying lil fly.
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i don't think i've ever seen Della post something positive about anything
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Raven Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24/October/2012 at 22:25
Does "There are heaps of talented wrestlers in TNA" count, before she gets into "That are all being shit on by Hogan/Pritchard/Bischoff"?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ihatethatmonkee Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24/October/2012 at 22:29
her only wholey positive post i've seen was in the "Are TNA using Hernandes...", and since that was against the general consensus of the forum, i have come to the conclusion that she is a troll, but just not a very good one.
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