TUP Wrestling Forum Homepage
Forum Home Forum Home > Wrestling > WWE Raw
  New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - Shayna Baszler On Raw
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login

Shayna Baszler On Raw
 Post Reply Post Reply
Author
Message
  Topic Search Topic Search  Topic Options Topic Options
Kondor View Drop Down
Hall of Famer
Hall of Famer
Avatar
Forum Moderator / Ticket Wars Founder

Joined: 02/June/2010
Location: Right here
Status: Offline
Points: 7508 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kondor Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: Shayna Baszler On Raw
    Posted: 04/March/2020 at 19:36
So some are making a big deal out of this and some are just passing it by... but I am getting a kick out of this whole thing and am loving Shayna's overall attitude. I was watching the Raw episode that took place on Feb. 17th where Becky was standing in the ring and Shayna appeared on the TitanTron to respond. Shayne talked about the upcoming Elimination Chamber match and how it benefited her as she was from a cage.... then Shayna told Becky... 

"I'm going to tear the living shit out of you." 




That was how it made it on the air as, uncensored, on the USA Network. And I was actually watching an On Demand replay on USA, where they have more time to go back and edit something.   

At first I thought nothing of it and it passed me by. The crowd oohed and then started to chat, "Shayna's gonna kill you!" Then a few seconds afterward I was like... wait a minute... did she just say that? Did I just hear what I thought? It's not a big deal as people say "shit" all the time in normal life. But at the same time... it is kind of a big deal as it is Raw, on the USA Network, it was is supposed to be the "PG Era." 

It reminded me of the first time I ever heard the word "ass" on WWF programming. It was back in 1992 during the Big Boss Man's feud with Nailz, where Boss Man said, "Nailz, I'm gonna kick your ass!" It sent the message, okay, we can say "ass" now on TV. It was seemingly a small thing... but it moved the show and the product to a new level of what was acceptable and what was not. 

A few years later we got the attitude era; which I loved. There was even a wrestler called Mr. Ass. 

Now people have their opinion on the "PG era" and PG rating. Some people here are apologists for it. But we all know the WWE is getting a little edgier. I guarantee the WWE would not have come anything close to Shayna's promo just three or four years ago. Add that with more chaos and aggression each week, even the use of fake blood and even more hardway blood from time to time.      

But none of this is what I really got a kick out of.

What I loved even more was Shayna's response to a fan (a fan who is a father) on Twitter. Here is both the original Tweet and Shayna's response. 

I don't mind if you pull something like this, but my kids were watching and if you aren't going to keep it PG you should say so.

Or you could be a father and tell them I am a terrible person and they shouldn’t like me for that. Or that they will get grounded and their tablets taken away if they ever do that. Because I don’t give a crap about your kids so I won’t modify my behavior for them.


Now, I love two things about this. One, that Shayna is not apologizing for her language. Her response gave the indication that she will continue to be a massively entertaining and aggressive personality (and no I'm not saying she needs to swear to be entertaining.) Two, I love the fact that Shayna (as many wrestlers do) stayed in character, maintaining kayfabe while also keeping it real to her true self at the same time. And everybody here knows I love kayfabe. But the cool thing here is that there was no difference.    

I believe this incident, in the larger context of WWE edginess as a whole in recent weeks, has greater ramifications. 

Ladies and gentlemen and fellow TUPeeps, the PG era is over. 

Back to Top
Fletch View Drop Down
Hall of Famer
Hall of Famer
Avatar
TUP Hall Of Fame 2009

Joined: 06/January/2006
Location: Portsmouth UK
Status: Offline
Points: 18513 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Fletch Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04/March/2020 at 20:05
Its fair comment as well. Shayna is a nasty heel so you should discourage your kids from doing the things she does, I mean I don't hear this fan complaining about Randy Orton bashing in Edge and Matt Hardy's heads with a chair, does that mean he's ok with his child doing that? 

My biggest fear here was that Vince McMahon wasn't enamoured with the version of Shayna we got in NXT or perhaps he doesn't like her look, so he decided he needed to spice her up with some ridiculous vampire gimmick. 
Thankfully that doesn't seem to be the case and they appear to be pushing forward with Shayna's MMA inspired fighter character, I think they realised the biting angle looked stupid and have played it down.
Back to Top
Kondor View Drop Down
Hall of Famer
Hall of Famer
Avatar
Forum Moderator / Ticket Wars Founder

Joined: 02/June/2010
Location: Right here
Status: Offline
Points: 7508 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kondor Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04/March/2020 at 20:27
Originally posted by Kondor Kondor wrote:

It reminded me of the first time I ever heard the word "ass" on WWF programming. It was back in 1992 during the Big Boss Man's feud with Nailz, where Boss Man said, "Nailz, I'm gonna kick your ass!"

Woot! I am so happy I actually found the moment Big Boss Man said "ass" for (what I believe) is the first time on WWF television. 

Interview with Mean Gene starts at 1:02:37. 


 

"When I get you in that ring; I'm kicking your ass!" 

In the original broadcast as I remember it it was uncensored (and yes, I'm hijacking Shayna's thread to talk about the Big Boss Man. As covered both are trail blazers for a similar reason.) 

One is the first to say "ass", the other is the first to say "shit." Tongue


Edited by Kondor - 04/March/2020 at 20:43

Back to Top
Fletch View Drop Down
Hall of Famer
Hall of Famer
Avatar
TUP Hall Of Fame 2009

Joined: 06/January/2006
Location: Portsmouth UK
Status: Offline
Points: 18513 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Fletch Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05/March/2020 at 18:06
I actually remember The Big Boss Man saying he would kick Nailz's ass, they bleeped it out if I remember right but obviously the live audience would have heard it. Funny how these things stick in your head.

As for Shayna I'm pretty sure that isn't the first time a WWE talent has dropped a S-bomb, there were several occasions during the Attitude Era when the word was used and maybe even a few times heading into the Ruthless Aggression Era, and if I remember right Brock Lesnar has said it much more recently on live WWE tv as well.

Edited by Fletch - 05/March/2020 at 18:07
Back to Top
Rico Len View Drop Down
PB Members
PB Members
Avatar
Three Time TW Winner (X, XII, XIII)

Joined: 23/October/2012
Location: Yosemite Lakes
Status: Offline
Points: 12647 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rico Len Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05/March/2020 at 22:44
I still remember someone kicking Mr. Perfect in the nuts and the camera picked up him saying "Mother fucker!" It might have been an atomic drop gone wrong, So just remember him grabbing himself, rolling out of the ring, and walking funny when he said it. Gorilla Monsoon said something about Perfect talking about his ability to reproduce after that one. I feel like it was Doink that did it.
Back to Top
Kondor View Drop Down
Hall of Famer
Hall of Famer
Avatar
Forum Moderator / Ticket Wars Founder

Joined: 02/June/2010
Location: Right here
Status: Offline
Points: 7508 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kondor Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06/March/2020 at 08:50
Originally posted by Fletch Fletch wrote:

I actually remember The Big Boss Man saying he would kick Nailz's ass, they bleeped it out if I remember right but obviously the live audience would have heard it. Funny how these things stick in your head.

Glad you remember and I'm not the only one who remembers this. It later became normal; but at the time was a big deal.  

I know he was fired for attacking Vince for real but I always wanted Nailz to have been around longer by the way. He disappeared right after the feud with Boss Man. 

Originally posted by Fletch Fletch wrote:

As for Shayna I'm pretty sure that isn't the first time a WWE talent has dropped a S-bomb, there were several occasions during the Attitude Era when the word was used and maybe even a few times heading into the Ruthless Aggression Era, and if I remember right Brock Lesnar has said it much more recently on live WWE tv as well.

Yep, now that I think about it there were people before. Since I posted the video of Shayna I remembered this incident from an In Your House in 1998 when Vader calls himself a "big piece of shit" after a loss to Kane. 

 


The Vader incident may be the true first but was on pay per view though. There were other accidental times as Rico points out but Shayna's sticks out to me as it was so blatant and not something said on the side or in a whisper. 


Edited by Kondor - 06/March/2020 at 09:00

Back to Top
Fletch View Drop Down
Hall of Famer
Hall of Famer
Avatar
TUP Hall Of Fame 2009

Joined: 06/January/2006
Location: Portsmouth UK
Status: Offline
Points: 18513 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Fletch Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06/March/2020 at 17:07
Originally posted by Kondor Kondor wrote:

Originally posted by Fletch Fletch wrote:

I actually remember The Big Boss Man saying he would kick Nailz's ass, they bleeped it out if I remember right but obviously the live audience would have heard it. Funny how these things stick in your head.

Glad you remember and I'm not the only one who remembers this. It later became normal; but at the time was a big deal.  

I know he was fired for attacking Vince for real but I always wanted Nailz to have been around longer by the way. He disappeared right after the feud with Boss Man.
 

I liked Nailz too, the guy had a perfect look and style for that character and was very convincing in the role. He started a feud with The Undertaker after his programme with The Big Boss Man ended but was the fired before his matches with Taker made it beyond the house shows. 
The only thing I remember about the Nailz/Boss Man feud was that after such a strong build and one of the most shocking beatdown angles ever seen during that time when Nailz first appeared, the payoff to the feud was a bit lukewarm when Boss Man pinned Nailz clean in one pretty average match and that was that. 

Interesting note - Nailz was fired from WWE after getting into a physical altercation with Vince McMahon during what I think was a contract dispute. In what might or might not be related to this incident Nailz pretty much vanished from the business following his short WWE run. 

Originally posted by Kondor Kondor wrote:

Originally posted by Fletch Fletch wrote:

As for Shayna I'm pretty sure that isn't the first time a WWE talent has dropped a S-bomb, there were several occasions during the Attitude Era when the word was used and maybe even a few times heading into the Ruthless Aggression Era, and if I remember right Brock Lesnar has said it much more recently on live WWE tv as well.
 

Yep, now that I think about it there were people before. Since I posted the video of Shayna I remembered this incident from an In Your House in 1998 when Vader calls himself a "big piece of shit" after a loss to Kane. 

 


The Vader incident may be the true first but was on pay per view though. There were other accidental times as Rico points out but Shayna's sticks out to me as it was so blatant and not something said on the side or in a whisper. 
 

When you think about it WWE have been very smart with the extremely sporadic use of the word as you can pretty much count the number of times it's been used in WWE on two hands over the past three decades, this means it has a impact and leaves a lasting impression.
Back to Top
Kondor View Drop Down
Hall of Famer
Hall of Famer
Avatar
Forum Moderator / Ticket Wars Founder

Joined: 02/June/2010
Location: Right here
Status: Offline
Points: 7508 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kondor Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07/March/2020 at 03:58
Originally posted by Fletch Fletch wrote:

I liked Nailz too, the guy had a perfect look and style for that character and was very convincing in the role. He started a feud with The Undertaker after his programme with The Big Boss Man ended but was the fired before his matches with Taker made it beyond the house shows.

YES!! I remember being pumped about the first confrontation between Nailz and The Undertaker; as you said with Nailz's look he was the perfect kind of opponent to Taker. I'd put Nailz a step above Giant Gonzales (which isn't saying much, but still I would.) I was disappointed when the feud never went farther than it did. 

And by the way, how could I forget this awesome tirade from Bret Hart on Raw in 1997? It occurred after he lost a WWF Title Steel Cage match to Psycho Sid after Undertaker interfered. I remember it like it was yesterday. This is probably the true true first time the word was said on WWF television, final answer. Tongue

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KX7iuxyjHc

Proves that people are full of (insert word of the day here) when they say Bret Hart has no mic skills. 

Originally posted by Fletch Fletch wrote:

When you think about it WWE have been very smart with the extremely sporadic use of the word as you can pretty much count the number of times it's been used in WWE on two hands over the past three decades, this means it has a impact and leaves a lasting impression.

Exactly, that sporadic and rare use of the word is why it's a big deal when Shayna said it and it stuck out to me so much. If it was a word the WWE Superstars use all the time, it would not be a big deal and this whole conversation wouldn't exist (and a fan wouldn't have complained on Twitter.) I am enjoying this walk down memory lane. Reminds me that we should get the old school section going more often. 

And just to somewhat adhere to my mod duties and keep this thread somewhat about Shayna...

Shayna wants to tear the living shit out of Becky!! Tongue


Edited by Kondor - 07/March/2020 at 04:03

Back to Top
Fletch View Drop Down
Hall of Famer
Hall of Famer
Avatar
TUP Hall Of Fame 2009

Joined: 06/January/2006
Location: Portsmouth UK
Status: Offline
Points: 18513 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Fletch Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07/March/2020 at 13:38
That clip was great I vaguely remember that, wrestling was awesome back then, I loved Psycho Sid too one of my favourite old school characters. Its funny I listened to a podcast interview with Sid a little while back, he had no love or interest in wrestling at all he was just playing a character and was all about the money, he said he didn't care if it was Wrestlemania or a Wisconsin house show made no difference he was just there to do business then leave. 

Back on topic it's funny how effective the sporadic use of cursing has been in wrestling, it's made for some very memorable and shocking moments, such a simple but effective formula. 
As we said Big Boss Man using the word ass on tv was a big memorable moment but then through the attitude era every wrestler was saying ass twenty times during one promo so the impact of the word got diluted hugely nobody batted a eyelid when it was used anymore. Even now wrestlers will say ass fairly regularly, it's shock value has gone. But the careful use of the word shit has preserved it's value and it can still be used to great effect. 

Also completely agree about the old school section, I loved the New Generation Era, I guess Nailz was around just as that era was in its infant stages and WWE was leaving the Hulkamania Era. I would say wrestling was at its best when it was in the stage of morphing from the New Generation Era into the Attitude Era which is when the Bret Hart video clip in Kon's post took place.
Back to Top
Fletch View Drop Down
Hall of Famer
Hall of Famer
Avatar
TUP Hall Of Fame 2009

Joined: 06/January/2006
Location: Portsmouth UK
Status: Offline
Points: 18513 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Fletch Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22/April/2020 at 12:37
 

These quick wins and Shayna showing a more nasty and aggressive streak is good for her character to establish her more as a killer prize fighter. 

She's in the Money in the Bank but I'm not sure she will win, she doesn't need the briefcase as I think she can easily earn another title match and the case can be used to build somebody else up. 

Hopefully they don't rush into the rematch with Becky, I would rather see a more drawn out build and to save it for the next big show maybe Summerslam.
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply
  Share Topic   

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

Forum Software by Web Wiz Forums® version 12.03
Copyright ©2001-2019 Web Wiz Ltd.

This page was generated in 0.141 seconds.