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    Posted: 06/October/2009 at 06:29
I noticed watching the pay-per-view last night that the hell in the cell matches were without much bloodshed. I don't know why WWE has these matches anymore if they are going to take away some of the elements that make it different than the rest. I'm not saying they have to go all Mick Foley King of the Ring 1998 or No Way Out 2000. I understand the no blood rule on television when getting and retaining lucrative sponsorships with a product that reaches wide demos is key.  At the same time, I believe there has to be a happy medium.

What does everyone else think?
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This has been brought up in the shoutbox a few times.

I understand that with the PG banner WWE has much more sponsor opportunity and a fan base that is more likely to shell out cash for something as weak as what their product is. Really the IWC is like 20% if that of the wrestling fans. So while we are not happy with the PG, most others are blindly just fine with it.

Now I have said before the HIAC PPV that I was not looking for gruesome, CZW blood. All I wanted was a match where the wrestlers had the freedom to do what they thought would be entertaining. Not only does the no blood on PPV take away the blood aspect of cutting for the show, to make the match seem much more violent and make the hate between wrestlers that much more blatant; And fuel the feud. But when you make it PG that takes creative and spectacular spots and moves away from the match. Simple things that might produce unplanned blood are out the window because there is the risk. That what I really hated. Not that the wrestlers couldn't bleed, but that they had to almost dumb down the match so that there was nothing that could produce blood.

So, yea. I hate it. I wish, if there was a way WWE could make PPV pg-14. Because wrestling PG on PPV doesn't work anymore.
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exactly.  that's my thing with it.  It wasn't the fact that they can't bleed but it takes away their usage of the cage.  You've got a cage to throw your opponent into it but you can't do that for the fear of perhaps making that person bleed.  Not that I want "bang your head" to become a theme for the matches or anything but banging someone's head against the cage can't be done now, they can't throw each other into the cage to slow the other one down from gaining a lot of offense.  I know they want to get away from chairshots, etc. to the head but what is the difference with using that and a trash can? It's not like a trash can is soft plus a trash can is more likely to expose the steel to cut someone open yet a chair is not?  Not saying a chair won't do that, it most certainly will. 

Accidents such as a busted lip or a cut above the eye or something like that are going to happen but they act as if someone bleeds now, they are going to die on the spot.  I remember a few weeks ago, Randy Orton got his lip busted and someone during the match ran over with a towel for him to wipe it off.  Now that is ridiculous.

As heated as the feud with Randy Orton and John Cena should be right now, it's just not there because of the PG rating.  They can't threaten each other--other than to say I'm going to beat you--they can't get overly excited and say something like, "I'm gonna kick your ass".  Nothing like that and it's taken a lot away from the feud.  The degree of insults that have been used is Cena calling Orton gay.  Please. Orton should be able to bring up stuff from the past like saying, "remember what happened to your father during our first feud when you pissed me off?  That can happen again and don't mess with me or it will"  Stuff like that.  It's not going to burn any kid's ears off because they most likely hear worse stuff than that in the schoolyard. None of the performers need to go into overload with the filthy talk but, on occasion, I see no harm in it as long as it's used in a way that hypes a match and/or feud.
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Two words: HELL NO! It's bad enough we have to suffer through RAW and Smackdown being PG but if the PPVs go the same way, I may give up watching them altogether. It just seems ridiculous that if someone accidently busts their lip or cut themselves on something that someone runs over with a towel like Maria mentioned with Orton. I can't really see the point of having cage matches etc if the wrestlers can't run their opponent into the cage (or whatever) for fear that the opponent will end up bleeding.




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For all of this they should just have regular matches. It's pointless to involve a structure if no 1 is going 2 get busted open. What's the point of even throwing them against the Cage , Cell or etc ?
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Originally posted by MariaS MariaS wrote:

exactly.  that's my thing with it.  It wasn't the fact that they can't bleed but it takes away their usage of the cage.  You've got a cage to throw your opponent into it but you can't do that for the fear of perhaps making that person bleed.  Not that I want "bang your head" to become a theme for the matches or anything but banging someone's head against the cage can't be done now, they can't throw each other into the cage to slow the other one down from gaining a lot of offense.  I know they want to get away from chairshots, etc. to the head but what is the difference with using that and a trash can? It's not like a trash can is soft plus a trash can is more likely to expose the steel to cut someone open yet a chair is not?  Not saying a chair won't do that, it most certainly will. 

Accidents such as a busted lip or a cut above the eye or something like that are going to happen but they act as if someone bleeds now, they are going to die on the spot.  I remember a few weeks ago, Randy Orton got his lip busted and someone during the match ran over with a towel for him to wipe it off.  Now that is ridiculous.

As heated as the feud with Randy Orton and John Cena should be right now, it's just not there because of the PG rating.  They can't threaten each other--other than to say I'm going to beat you--they can't get overly excited and say something like, "I'm gonna kick your ass".  Nothing like that and it's taken a lot away from the feud.  The degree of insults that have been used is Cena calling Orton gay.  Please. Orton should be able to bring up stuff from the past like saying, "remember what happened to your father during our first feud when you pissed me off?  That can happen again and don't mess with me or it will"  Stuff like that.  It's not going to burn any kid's ears off because they most likely hear worse stuff than that in the schoolyard. None of the performers need to go into overload with the filthy talk but, on occasion, I see no harm in it as long as it's used in a way that hypes a match and/or feud.


I agree with this. Even with a PG rating cant WWE have the odd splash of blood or a few mild swear words?

As Maria said a really heated feud would benefit from the wrestlers being able to say ''I will kick your ass'' or something to that effect and because it wouldnt be done that often, hearing that come from one of the wrestlers would really ram home the fact that this feud is incredibly heated.

The lack of blood at Hell in a Cell didnt really effect the match quality and I thought the cage came in to play enough, but the you can tell the talent are being extra-carefull when using weapons or using the structure on their opponents.

I get that the whole PG deal means more sponsorship revenue for WWE and in this troubled economy that is important, but I really think Vince needs to find some kind of middle-ground because more and more fans over the age of 10 are getting so frustrated with the product. Their was talk of WWE slowly introducing more PG-14 material back in but so far ive seen no evidence of this.

Ive said this many times before but I dont understand why Vince cant have one PG show and one PG-14 show, Raw and Smackdown are on different networks so surely thats possible?
                         
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This ban on blood doesnt make much sense to me anyway, if you go back to the 80s when WWE was also catering towards children more, Hulk Hogan bled numerous times, as did several others.
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Originally posted by Ministry Hunter Ministry Hunter wrote:

This ban on blood doesnt make much sense to me anyway, if you go back to the 80s when WWE was also catering towards children more, Hulk Hogan bled numerous times, as did several others.


Exactly and when you think about it the current direction of WWE is headed more towards the style they were using back then, the two top babyfaces are almost modern day versions of Hogan(Cena) and Ultimate Warrior(Batista).

So I dont see why blood has to be completely banned, it was always saved for big PPV matches anyway so its not like every match was a blood-bath.
                         
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Tragon70 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06/October/2009 at 23:07
Originally posted by Ministry Hunter Ministry Hunter wrote:

This ban on blood doesnt make much sense to me anyway, if you go back to the 80s when WWE was also catering towards children more, Hulk Hogan bled numerous times, as did several others.
 
I remember writing this back sometime ago, just dont remember when ?
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Joey Styles once said that PPV is a medium where nothing should be censored. I concur. Pay per view is a set of channels where people pay hard earned money to see uncensored movies and other sports events such as boxing or ultimate fighting uncensored. As Pimpy said, wrestling shouldn't watered down; and it especially shouldn't be watered down on PPV. They don't have to do what they did in 1999 and have people like The Kat expose themselves; but they can have a hard hitting match, blood, and some foul language. 

I despise the entire PG concept really. 


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