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    Posted: 17/July/2013 at 06:00


I'm not convinced I'm putting this in the right place, but well, that's what having a Willy1225 is for.

A week or two ago, Cesaro came out in yellow trunks, and they censored his crotch, which made me laugh. So here is more unnecessary censorship pro-wrestling edition.

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Wait, I got another good one! Ryback killed me.




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You want to talk about censorship in WWE?  Check this...

The order for Royal Rumble 2004 started at 2.

It was the first Royal Rumble that had no winner as Big Show eliminated himself.

Who can forget that moment at WrestleMania XX when the World Heavyweight Champion celebrated with the WWE Champion in the ring.
 
After a gruelling one on one match, the World Heavyweight Championship vanished.



At SummerSlam 2004, Randy Orton found the lost championship and defeated nobody to be crowned new World Heavyweight Champion.

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Man that Nobody seems to have done a fair few things. and that whole "Being a shadowy figure" gimmick genius. Yeah I don't understand why WWE are basically writing off everything he did in ring, Fair enough he did a terrible thing in killing his family but there must be some sort of diminished responsibility due to the state his brain was in. I understand not praising him to heavens and he is on the WWE list of champions on WWE.com. But mention at RR when the inevitable only 2 people have won from #1 mention his name no need for a report on his accolades just have Cole give a quick:
 "2 people have won the RR at entry #1 Chris Benoit in 2004 and first ever #1 draw to win the Royal Rumble in 1995, was Mr WrestleMania, Mr Main Event,  3 time tag team champion, 2 time European Champion, 3 time Intercontinental champion, 3 time WWE champion and 2 time World heavyweight champion The Show stopper, The Hall of Famer,  The Heartbreak Kid  Shawn Michaels "

at least that's my opinion.
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In all fairness to WWE though, I can see were they are coming from. Ok maybe they might go a little too far sometimes with completely erasing him from existence because it is insulting the fans intelligence, however, if I was in a position of running a multi-million dollar profitable company, I wouldn't want tom be promoting someone who did such a violent act. 

If Benoit would've just taken his own life, he would've been praised for years to come and remembered for being a great in ring worker, and by all rights, currently be in the WWE Hall of Fame by now at this junction. But he didn't, he took the life of by all accounts, two innocent people, one of them being a seven year old child, not to mention his own son and also his wife. Right frame of mind or not, it happened and he did it. I can see WWE wanting to move and try forget this tragic incident and blemish stain on their legacy. At the end of the day, Benoit was a tremendous technical wrestler and thats what I want to remember him as, but overall, I don't agree with WWE promoting him in such a way as to speak about him in any current form.


 
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Originally posted by Collywog3:16 Collywog3:16 wrote:

In all fairness to WWE though, I can see were they are coming from. Ok maybe they might go a little too far sometimes with completely erasing him from existence because it is insulting the fans intelligence, however, if I was in a position of running a multi-million dollar profitable company, I wouldn't want tom be promoting someone who did such a violent act. 

If Benoit would've just taken his own life, he would've been praised for years to come and remembered for being a great in ring worker, and by all rights, currently be in the WWE Hall of Fame by now at this junction. But he didn't, he took the life of by all accounts, two innocent people, one of them being a seven year old child, not to mention his own son and also his wife. Right frame of mind or not, it happened and he did it. I can see WWE wanting to move and try forget this tragic incident and blemish stain on their legacy. At the end of the day, Benoit was a tremendous technical wrestler and thats what I want to remember him as, but overall, I don't agree with WWE promoting him in such a way as to speak about him in any current form.


 

While I do agree the WWE should extoll how great a wrestker he was or bang on about what he accoplished a saying his name in the context IF the situation arises can mention his name but nothing more than a 1 second "Chris Benoit" is all In my view
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Originally posted by LennyComa LennyComa wrote:


While I do agree the WWE should extoll how great a wrestker he was or bang on about what he accoplished a saying his name in the context IF the situation arises can mention his name but nothing more than a 1 second "Chris Benoit" is all In my view

But the thing about it is though it may just one second, thats one second that the WWE would get hassled for. Think about all the smarks and members of the wrestling media.

"OH MY GOD THEY MENTIONED HIS NAME! OH MY GOD I CAN'T BELIEVE THEY ARE PRAISING A FUCKING MURDER! HOW DARE THEY! WHAT IS WRONG THEM! BLAH BLAH BLAH..." and so on and so forth.

While I do agree with you also to an extent, the ramifications of just one simple insignificant second is two over whelming, there would be some backlash.

  
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Anybody who goes and does something like he did is obvs fucked in the brain, just because they proved it with him doesn't make him better. Psychopathic/Sociopathic serial killers are viewed as shitstains on the underwear of life, why should Benoit be any different because he was wrong in the head too? And he can't have been that fucked, none of his co-workers noticed anything off about him before he decided to kill a woman and a child.

I don't care how talented he was, he doesn't deserve to be mentioned on WWE tv again, he's lucky he still gets mentioned in title lineages and things for the sake of record-keeping.
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Chris Benoit was suffering from Dementia at the time he killed himself and his family, he was not a Sociopath or Psychopath. There's a massive difference between Dementia and the other two and yet you, Raven, seem to feel justified to lump them all in the same basket just because of the actions someone took

Two of them can be treated, the Sociopath and the Psychopath, to a point that a sufferer can live free in Society without being a danger to anyone else, and if caught early enough, before they can commit any kind of crime, and the reason they can be treated is because their conditions are not caused by actual physical damage to the brain, they are caused by Social, Environmental and Educational influences. Dementia, in Chris Benoit's case, was untreatable because it was caused by physical and irreparable damage to the brain. Also, the thing with Dementia is that generally the sufferer themselves are completely unaware they're suffering from it. It generally takes a third party to have them diagnosed and for the sufferer to agree that maybe something might not be right

In my opinion, by acknowledging Chris Benoit's work within the WWF/WWE, I think the WWE would be in a grand position to be able to highlight the differences between such mental illnesses for the ignorant, but like you they seemingly prefer to lump them all in the same stereotypical basket just because, I think, they have a fear of alienating the ignorant, whereas by acknowledging Chris Benoit's body of work and justifying the why, they would be educating them. If nothing else that seems a far more worthy cause to me than doing what they're doing now, which is to feed the ignorant with more ignorance






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Okay, I'll use a better example. Pedophiles. The lowest of the low. Preying on children and all of that. That's a mental condition. For most, it can't be cured without extreme measures like chemical castration. Dementia is also a medical condition. It can't be cured, but much like pedophilia, it can be somewhat controlled, in that you can remove the risk to others in various way. As far as anybody is aware, pedophilia is not something learned, it is something innate, and it's not always something that's always been there (though obviously most of the time it is). Why are pedophiles universally despised, while Chris Benoit is okay?

Why is Chris Benoit supposed to be held up and admired despite his acts, as an example of how mental illness can turn anybody into a monster? I'll give you a famous example from New Zealand. David Gray, who shot and killed thirteen people in the small seaside town of Aramoana, before committing suicide by cop. It remains our only mass shooting. By all accounts, he was a normal guy. A bit introverted for sure, but so was Chris Benoit. In the months leading up to the shooting, he became very aggressive, though not violently so. There were some signs of his mental condition deteriorating, but obviously not enough that anybody would think he'd be capable of murder. He is, for obvious reasons, reviled everywhere, because what he did was a disgusting and reprehensible act. I can't imagine you'd disagree. What's the difference between him and Benoit?

As I said, sure Benoit was suffering from dementia, I won't argue that. However, no serious flags were ever raised in the lead-up to the killings. It can't have been that bad. Plus, he's hardly blameless, the ridiculous amounts of steroids he was taking obviously played a part.
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When you talk about a Paedophile, you’re talking about, for instance, a man who’s body of work in life is preying on prepubescent children. Chris Benoit’s body of work wasn’t killing, it was Pro-Wrestling. The killings occurred because he was suffering from Dementia.

Also a Paedophile is generally aware that what he does is socially, morally and lawfully unacceptable, that’s why they hide any trails that could lead back to them. The same cannot be said for the actions of someone suffering from Dementia. As clear thinking adults, we can make such distinctions, but the sufferers themselves can’t because as said before Dementia sufferers are generally unaware that they are suffering from such a condition in the first place.

On that, unless someone close to Chris Benoit, such as Nancy or maybe even Chavo, were clued up on Dementia and, most importantly, could believe that a super fit 40 year old man could suffer from such a condition, and they would be actively looking for such signs, then what they would feel was odd behaviour, would have been just been that to them, something odd but not worrisome to the point they would be convinced that the next thing Chris Benoit would do would be murdering his family and then committing suicide.

In other words, there are no red flags when it comes to Dementia, not unless you are actively looking for them or you are fully clued up on what Dementia entails, including believing a 40 year old super fit man could suffer from such a thing. Also, Nancy and Chavo would have seen Chris Benoit on a daily basis which means that any kind of odd behaviour may have not registered as a red flag because it was minute in the grand scheme of things. Nobody knew about his diary until after the murders/suicide, but I’m willing to bet if someone had read it they would have been alarmed and could have seen something was clearly wrong.

In my opinion though, nine times out of ten I think friends and family will excuse someone’s odd behaviour, until that odd behaviour endangers them and/or others. The sad thing is, I think when it came to seeing it in Benoit it was too late because his screaming blatant red flag of extremely odd behaviour not only happened away from everyone who might have been able to intervene, but also culminated in the death of himself and his family.

All in all, that’s why I can separate Chris Benoit’s final actions from the body of work he left behind in the world of professional wrestling and can still respect what he left behind in Pro-Wrestling.




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