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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ihatethatmonkee Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17/July/2013 at 20:04
okayyyyyyyyyyyyy

comparing Benoit's condition to Paedophilia is stupid. plain and simple. while research is "suggesting" it's innate, like homosexuality, and that it's not something that can be "learnt", there is still as little evidence to support this as the notion that it is learnt behaviour, and not innate.

however, the dementia that Benoit suffered was not innate, it was not coming from a genetic predisposition to suffer any problems of the ilk, it was from continued impact to his head, be it from chair shots, the diving headbutt, or anything else.

not only that, but the reports at the time, from what I recall, stated that, after the death of Eddie, which Benoit took hard, he became somewhat of a loner, and kept himself to himself where he could. how anyone is supposed to know anything is wrong unless they actively try and get close to him is beyond me.

in any case, I agree with what Colly said; even mentioning his name on air could cause a backlash from not just fans, but the media. if Glen Jacobs is standing for Senate, any mention could be used against him, as politics doesn't care who is actually to blame, as long as the blame can be placed on their opponent long enough for it to result in a win for them.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote IDIOTdella Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17/July/2013 at 20:51
I never said it would be easy for the WWE nor did I say that they would ever do it, and the reason I didn't is because I'm fully aware that the WWE is a business and relies on the ignorant, as well as the informed, to take out their money and pay for tickets, merchandise and so on, to keep their business running efficiently. That I'm fully aware a certain member of the McMahon family and a certain member of the WWE have Political aspirations and that to acknowledge someone like Chris Benoit could jeopardise their aspirations - which is why they would rather blank a certain individual, who'd been suffering from an irreparable mental disorder at the time of his despicable actions, from their history books.

...Best to keep the ignorant ignorant and paying for tickets and merchandise, than to possibly lose what might be a large chunk of their revenue, because they decided to educate them instead




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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ihatethatmonkee Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17/July/2013 at 21:16
as I've said before, though; it's no longer just McMahon's money. they have shareholders to answer to. people who have paid into the company expecting a return.

let's not also forget what an embarrassing incident this was for WWE; they went the whole nine yards the Raw after, and paid tribute to him - if anyone needs a sign that no one in WWE was aware of Benoit's issues, this should surely be it - then the sordid details all came out.

they then had the incidents of Superstars coming out and tripping over the script in trying to defend the WWE's Wellness policy and drug taking overall, and former employees who added fuel to the fire by slamming WWE's handling of the situation - where, really, all WWE needed to do was issue a statement saying that the tribute occurred before they were made fully aware of the situation, and they apologised unreservedly if anyone believes they endorse or condone Benoit's actions, rather than trying to "defend their public image" - and this all, again, is ignoring the fact that no one with the infrastructure of the WWE wasn't looking out for the wellbeing of it's "independent contractors" since Benoit was ripped to fuck leading up to his death.

blanking Benoit from all but the footnotes of championship histories is still the right decision. I was very surprised he was mentioned in the updated WWE Encyclopaedia, and within that they have done what most who clamour about him being blanked want; they named his qualities in the ring, and left out the messy details of his personal life. in the end, there may come a day when he can be openly named, but let's face it; while he was technically gifted, he was never going to be a great of the industry. if anything, at the time of his death, he was taking on a Kane role of putting over up and coming talent.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Willy1225 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17/July/2013 at 22:32
Benoit did some truly awful things and he did that regardless if his brain was so fucked he didn't know right from wrong or if he was suffering from depression and wanted to end the life of his family and himself because he didn't think life was worth living for any of them.

wwe rightly seperated themselves of this guy because the PR situation wouldve been a nightmare if wwe was heard heaping praise toward a murderer.

Seeing Thundarr's post makes what wwe is doing look comical but distancing themselves from Benoit was wwe's only option after what he did.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote thundarr2000 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17/July/2013 at 23:17
WWE's Hall of Fame isn't exactly filled by great humanitarians. There's plenty of people in the HOF that have been accused and/or convicted of significant crimes. 

Convicted of tax evasion & served jail time (at minimum security "camp.")
That's OK. Hall of Fame 2004.

Accused of child molestation (legal settlement reached with family of accuser.)
Hall of Fame 1996.

Accused of "sexual assault on a minor" (rumors of a payoff being made as well.)
Hall of Fame 2007.

Prime suspect in an unsolved murder (DA is reviewing whether to reopen the case.)
Hall of Fame 1996.

Convicted of rape & served jail time.
Hall of Fame 2012.

Convicted of armed robbery & served jail time.
Hall of Fame 2013.

Killed a man (not charged due to mental condition.)
Hall of Fame 2006

Accused of knowingly spreading Hep C.
Hall of Fame 2011.

Multiple arrests on various charges, served jail time.
Hall of Fame 2011.

This even doesn't include the numerous guys arrested for DUI and drug possession. Suicide is also OK with WWE.

Committed suicide (3 of them.)
Hall of Fame 2009.

WWE makes zero effort to distance themselves from any of these guys. In fact it's the opposite and they embrace them as part of their history. 

WWE's current policy is to only allow video footage of Benoit in large multi-man tag team/battle royal matches where they deem his involvement to be "minimal."  Also royalty payments would have to be made to Chris' father Michael Benoit who has become an outspoken critic of the WWE. 


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Rico Len Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18/July/2013 at 02:11
The difference? WWE is indirectly responsible in many people's eyes for what Benoit did by virtue of their horrid drug policy, and over the top reckless in ring product. Between the steriods and headshots the WWE was negligent of, a Chris Benoit incident was bound to happen, and it is amazing the NFL doesn't have anything more than multitudes of suicides resulting from similar negligence.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (3) Thanks(3)   Quote Rob Franklin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18/July/2013 at 02:25
Here's a fun thing that no one is mentioning. When I see Chris Benoit on my TV, I feel a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach. It makes me uncomfortable. And this is me we're talking about. I'm not exactly a bleeding heart. But that guy was my fucking hero. The amount of respect I had for him as a kid was crazy. I followed him to the WWE when he left WCW. I don't want to see him. I don't want him on TV. Sure, mention him when needed, and put him on DVDs, But I don't want to see that piece of shit on TV.
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Originally posted by Rico Len Rico Len wrote:

The difference? WWE is indirectly directly responsible in many people's eyes for what Benoit did by virtue of their horrid drug policy, and over the top reckless in ring product. Between the steriods and headshots the WWE was negligent of, a Chris Benoit incident was bound to happen, and it is amazing the NFL doesn't have anything more than multitudes of suicides resulting from similar negligence.
Fixed.

As for the NFL...

Last season Jovan Belcher killed his girlfriend and then committed suicide.

Carolina Panthers player Rae Carruth killed his pregnant girlfriend. He was found guilty of conspiracy to commit murder and is jail now.

New England Patriots Aaron Hernandez is accused of killing his "friend."

Let's not forget OJ Simpson, Ray Lewis and others that have been accused of murder but acquitted. There's also several more players that have been accused of assault and rape. 


Originally posted by Rob Franklin Rob Franklin wrote:

Here's a fun thing that no one is mentioning. When I see Chris Benoit on my TV, I feel a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach. It makes me uncomfortable.
I concur with all of that. I was a big fan of Benoit during his WCW run. I was glad to see him jump to WWF. And I'm not saying that WWE should put him in their HOF and put out a best of 3 DVD set or anything. But there are other wrestlers' histories that suffer by the intense omission of Benoit from WWE/WCW/ECW history. 

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rico Len Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18/July/2013 at 04:30
Nonono none of that as far as I know is a direct result of chronic traumatic encephlopathy. A lot of NFL players commit suicide as a result of CTE, but I don't THINK that any NFL player has done a murder/murder-suicide because of CTE.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (3) Thanks(3)   Quote HBKDX97 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18/July/2013 at 04:45
Say a waiter goes crazy and kills his wife and son methodically over the course of a weekend, then kills himself.

Would you expect anyone in that restaurant to put a plaque of him on their wall for how good at his job he was? No! Fuck him. And would anyone complain about that? Nope.

But because it was a famous wrestler it makes a difference to some people? I'll call bullshit all day.

By the way, more food for thought. This was methodical. He killed his wife, then killed his son, hung them up by their neck with gym equipment, and placed Bibles underneath their bodies. He didn't just tear into them like a rabid wolverine, he choked the shit out of them until they were dead and displayed for anyone to find. Poor old Chris, right?
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