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    Posted: 08/February/2009 at 02:42
Kane has now been in WWE for over a decade, in that time he has had one very brief World title reign, he has held the IC title and the tag titles multiple times as well as more recently the ECW title.
His character unlike many has withstood the test of time, he still remains very over with a cult following, his gimmick has been changed over the years, of course he started as the big red machine, clad in a demon like outfit with his mask completely hiding his face, he rarely spoke having his 'father' Paul Bearer do his talking, and on the very rare occasions he would speak he used one of those devices that are used for people who have suffered major throat problems. He also had 'super natural powers' which was a little over the top but for me this was the best version of Kane, either as a heel or a face.

The next version saw him get a new outfit which revealed alot more of his upper torso and get a new mask which reavealed his mouth and chin. While this dosnt sound like a major change it made him appear alot more human and  removed alot of the mysterious element of his character and what really changed him was when they allowed him to start cutting long promos in a normal voice, during the whole Katie Vick saga he actually started talking about a party he was at and he met a girl(isnt this the guy who had a tortured up bringing and was basically kept in a dungeon?)

Anyway this eventually led to the Kane we see today, he was unmasked in a stipulation match and then went crazy, saying the burns were superficial and he started randomly attacking people and setting them on fire and commiting other unspeakable acts, great stuff! This worked superbly for a while as it freshened Kanes character which had grown a little stale as a mid card babyface and had long lost the mysterious edge that he once had, he was booked as a monster heel and destroyed RVD, i was annoyed though that RVD was booked as a complete jobber against Kane, i understood Kane had to go over but RVD could have looked a little competative, Shane Mcmahon by comparison was then booked as a equal to Kane!
Kane was then involved in the horrible storyline with Lita losing his baby then he was dropped from the Edge/Lita affair angle when Matt Hardy returned.
This resulted in Kane ending up back in his now trademark mid card jobber to the stars role where he still is today.

Kane has switched from heel to face countless times and has now had his gimmick changed three times. I would have remasked him and had him go back to the mysterious Kane but as Sam told me the mask causes him to experience breathing difficulties so it would be unfair to do that to him at this stage of his career.
So instead they should allow him to go back to the character he portrayed when he first unmasked. Put him back in the full red outfit and have him come to the ring with the towel covering his head, when he first appeared like that it was the best storyline Kane had done since his early days as the big red machine.
WWE completely blew it by putting him in a ridiculous feud with Super Shane and then the even worse storylines with Matt Hardy, Lita and Edge.
The crowd were really in to him and they should have just pushed him as a killer babyface who all the heels were afraid of, much like they are of the Undertaker.
They have hinted at a switch back to his darker ways with the whole 'is he dead or alive' mask in the bag angle and before that he was having flash backs to the WWE movie he did, that would have been a excellent way to bring back the original Kane. The best way to do it would be to have him take a sabbatical like Taker often does, maybe after losing a big match, then return with a revamped image at a major ppv.
I hope we get to see this version of Kane again, after all his years of loyal service he deserves it.




Edited by fletch - 08/February/2009 at 02:55
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Fletch, if I didn´t know you were more after Suze, I´d totally think you want to kiss up to sam with that post. Aside that, you are right of course in most things you said, I personally thought that the phase with the voicebox he used wasn´t really good and he got owned pretty badly there, especially by the Rock (who told him to take all the batteries outta that voicebox, lube it up real nice, TURN THAT SUMBITCH SIDEWAYS, and stick it straight up his candy ass! *lol*)
 
I agree on the change Kane needs though, right now he´s the glorified Jobber to the stars, he is still seen as an impressive competitor, but if you ask me when Kane won a match the last time, I´d have to pass  on that. And after having him put into angles like the one with Mysterio, who he would´ve just ploughed over in his earlier days or losing a match to Kofi Kingston (just saying car battery, wires, you get me)... Kane deserves a change. The Idea with the hiatus and dominant return at a ppv is good, worked for Taker many times although taker never really changed his gimmick in recent times during those time outs. (It did work with the gimmick change too though, I remember when he came back to his demonic phase, the return with Satan like wings slowly descending down from the rafters... still gives me goosebumps.)
 
Kane has incredible potential and for a 320+ pounder he´s extremely agile and versatile in his style. Besides that, he still is massively over with the crowd, therefore could pull a change in gimmick off very nicely.
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Originally posted by Steven Nyte Steven Nyte wrote:

Fletch, if I didn´t know you were more after Suze, I´d totally think you want to kiss up to sam with that post.


Ha ha. I was wondering if someone was gonna say that!

But truth be told im just a massive Kane fan, the original version of his gimmick, the really dark, mysterious masked Kane is my favorate WWE character.
It annoys me to see him jobbing to the top guys now and what annoys me more is how they screwed up pretty much every major storyline Kane has been involved in over the last five years at least.

The Mysterio feud was sickening to watch, i honestly thought it was the beginning of the return of the masked Kane but instead we have to watch him job to mini me which is even less believable than watching Silver Spoon boy Shane get the better of Kane over and over again.
His loss to Kingston was pathetic, Kane ended up in the chamber anyway so what was the point in that exactly?

The way Taker went from the American Bad Ass back to the Deadman was superb, getting buried alive then returning at Mania, and that entrance in his match with Kane(ironically)was definately enough to give anyone goose bumps.

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yeah, the idea of Kane talking with the voice box thing was blown all to hell when they tried to match him up in a promo with The Rock. Rock holding the microphone to his throat, "My name is Kane".  That was hilarious.

I'm waiting for Sam to post about this because she probably can tell more about Kane's feuds and promos like I do with Orton. 

It's hard to figure what else they can do with Kane. He doesn't seem to mind putting over the others but damn, at some point, he should be rewarded for being willing to work with everyone presented to him.  I hated the Mysterio feud and think it's ridiculous that Kane had to take a loss to Kingston too and especially since fletch pointed out, Kane ended up in the chamber match anyway.  Maybe the thing to do is turn him face and let him and Knox feud so that Knox can learn from him or put them together as a tag team and let Kane teach Knox how to become a bigger heel.  The BS part of that is those two having to take losses to Mysterio and whomever he teams with for the night.

Kane gets treated a lot like JBL.  They stick him in a championship match only to put over whomever he may be wrestling that night and that's not right.  He could be a legitimate contender for any of the big titles and while he does have a loyal fanbase, it's not big enough to warrant him carrying one of the big titles for very long. I do think he deserves a legit title reign though before he retires.  He's always around and very rarely gets injured and works with anyone presented to him.  It makes me wonder how much longer he will be in the business. 


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WWE hasn't known what to do with Kane ever since his original program with Taker ended, they had the opportunity to make him a main star again when he unmasked and became the psychotic heel Kane again, but WWE messed that up totally by putting him in that terrible feud with Shane McMahon and then they totally killed any potential when they had Taker pretty much squash him at WrestleMania XX (although that made sense in a way as Taker returned as the Deadman again), and then made him job for nearly a full year with the exception of one win over Matt Hardy at Summerslam 2004.

It seems every time WWE have a potentially good storyline going with Kane, they find some way to screw it up, the Mysterio deau last year was a perfect example, it made no sense at all have him carry Mysterio's mask around, much less job to Mysterio who is half his size.

It must be incredibly frustrating for Glen Jacobs the man, he went for several years in WWE with them giving him terrible gimmick after terrible gimmick, Isaac Yankem or Fake Diesel anyone?  Yet it finally seems like it's going to work out for him with this great Kane gimmick in late 1997, however less than a year later, he's little more than a guy for Steve Austin and Undertaker to slap around every once in a while and he's remained in that position or aroundabouts ever since, even though he could have been so much more.

Although unlike with other characters in WWE, I honestly can't think of anything you could possibly do with him anymore, masked or unmasked, there's been talk of him retiring soon, I don't think he needs the money anymore, as he seems like a very smart man, and I'm willing to bet he's saved enough money from the 14 years he's been with WWE to walk away, maybe he should be given one last big storyline to send him out with a bang and let him ride off into the sunset on a high at least.


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* He's put up with being used by Tori of all people in a storyline.
 
* He's apparently fucked a dead body of Katie Vick.
 
* He wore the mask to hide scares that aren't even there.
 
* Through it all he's stayed over. What pisses me off is he turns heel to babyface almost weekly.
 
* He slagged off the fans fueding with Rey, stuck up for them after moving away from Rey and now teaming with Knox so back heel I assume. Who knows what he will be tomorrow night.
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Apart from the breathing problems Kane was having i do think maybe the masked Kane character had run its course.

When Kane unmasked he was doing a storyline where he was accused of losing his edge, he had become to human, to nice, and no longer posessed that rage that made him a monster.

As i said in my first post, Kane had lost that edge years ago, pretty much ever since they turned him face and gave him storylines that made no sense, like his relationship with Tori(i forgot that one, thanks Admin Smile)the Katie Vick saga and the fact that he went from doing the short promos with the robotic voice to suddenly doing lengthy promos in a normal voice where he would talk about his childhood??
The outfit change didnt really help, his first outfit made him look really demonic which was perfect for his character, the second outfit, the one that revealed his upper torso and had the modified mask, if im honest, almost made him look like a super hero!

Anyway for all these reasons Kane was definately in need of a change and the unmasking was a great idea in theory, and for the first few weeks it was great, Kane was super over, was in a major storyline and was being booked as a psychotic unstoppable killer once again.

They need to somehow book this version of Kane again, although i would have him work as a babyface as i dont think he really works as a heel as he has to much of a loyal following.
As i say doing a Taker style storyline where he loses a big match, they could have him lose a gimmick match to Orton which could mark his departure for a while before he comes back as the maniacle Kane once again.

Finally ive also heard the retirement rumours. Glen Jacobs has made alot of money from his near 15 years as Kane and he has been carefull with it.
He is set for life and in theory could walk away at any time.
I would hope that when he does he would still work on a special appearances only basis for WWE, maybe then we will see the masked Kane return.
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Masked Kane still is in WWE!! It´s FESTUS!! *muha* He played the impostor Kane during one of the last good Storylines with Kane in them... Kane being haunted and stalked by his "former self", that really had loads of potential, and when he won that storyline, he had the fans MASSIVELY behind him. But WWE failed to run with that advantage, they just let it slide....
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Ministry Hunter Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08/February/2009 at 19:03
Are you forgetting the absolutely horrible match the two of them had at a PPV, I can't really remember which one, because it was at a time when nearly every WWE PPV was instantly forgettable, I also don't agree that storyline had potential at all, it seemed like they were hoping for a similar deal to the Undertaker vs. Undertaker storyline from 1994, but that storyline only worked because it was used to hype up Taker's return after 7 months out, when he lost the casket match to Yokozuna at that year's Royal Rumble, only the fact that Undertaker and Brian Lee, who played the Fake Undertaker are best friends in real life, so there was chemistry with each other in the ring.
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What's WWE doing with Kane?
 
Grossly misusing him, I'd say.
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