WORLD TITLE NO. 3

HBKDX97 wrote: HOLY SHIT HAHAHAHAHAHA THAT MADE ME FALL OUT OF MY FUCKING CHAIR.

Ye. I can snoop pretty good when I feels like it.

That's how you do it. I'm treating this as an exercise in heel work. Get the crowd firmly behind the babyface quickly, set the heat steadily throughout the match, let them get some comebacks to give the crowd a chance to hope for the best, and then break their hearts in the end.

Rico Len wrote: I have never seen ROH, by the sounds of it, it is a bad company on the whole, but hearing some of the descriptions of the matches make me think I might actually like watching the matches. I have finally officially given up on TNA, it is just plain crap as far as I am concerned, but ROH? Maybe if it were actually on TV I might watch it and give it a try.

It's not THAT bad. It used to be very good, but not so much anymore. It's like watching Japanese or Mexican wrestling. If you can just watch a few matches you will probably enjoy it, but since you have no clue what is going on you can only watch so much of it.

Well personally I prefer chain wrestling where people trade hold for hold counter for counter. I always have, British Bulldog's title matches against the Hart brothers are two of my very favorite ever, I also very much loved Dolph Ziggler vs Daniel Bryan at Bragging Rights 2010. To me it is what wrestling is all about. Sure the Goldbergs and Warriors and Hogans are fun to watch, but at the end of the day I want the Hitmans and Kurt Angles who can wrestle you to the mat, and stretch you until you squeal like a pig - or a trainee in the Hart Dungeon.

I think that's why I'm getting so big into my ticket wars card this season. The first golden age of wrestling was all about being a talented mat technician. High spots are nice, and I crave seeing more high impact moves (not through TLCs, just straight to the mat), which is why I'm digging the last few weeks I've seen ToF wrestle on Raw. It looks weird by those guys, but it's so nice seeing a pumphandle slam followed by a belly to belly suplex, and then a scoop slam all in rapid succession. The other thing I dig about the first golden age is instead of using kicks and chops to help move an opponent into position they would just grapple and walk. So simple but it looked far more realistic and much more legit.

After reading what you guys are saying, it appears to be a LOT of that kind of thing (minus the power moves) going on in RoH. I'm down with a 45 minute time limit draw as long as the show is good. Wins and losses don't matter, we all know that, so why does it matter to us fans when the match ends in a draw from time to time? To me that builds legitimacy of competition. Granted IF that's all that happens then that's kind of a pisser, but I don't think time limit draws are bad. I loved Rude vs Roberts at WM4, and it just made me believe they were equals.

If everyone is a face, well that's kinda weird but I'd have to see for myself before I made any real judgement. That might be ok with me too depending on the storytelling in the ring. I badly miss the days when Pro-Wrestling was actually treated like a sporting competition and not a 'show' or a place to fight over personal differences.

Am I really the only one that thinks all you need is a good kayfabe win/loss record and a desire for the title to justify a match? Or do we always have to have someone insult someone else's mother before they can have a wrestling match?

Again, I've never watched, so I'm am just making blind assumptions, but based on the information I've got from reading this thread it sounds like RoH has bad looking wrestlers a pedophile founder, but a very solid mat wrestling foundation with old school roots the way pro-wrestling was originally intended to be.

To me that sounds better than TNA where they bullshit you by saying wrestling matters and then everything is about some personal grudge or a lameduck version of the nWo invasion. I haven't seen much of anything from TNA to prove to me that it's in-ring product is better than WWE's certainly not from it's vaunted Knockouts Division, and certainly not from the x-division or anything else. Not even Kurt Angle looks any different or better than something I'd see from Lesnar and/or Bryan. And Kurt Angle is one of those rare hybrids that can wrestle two very different types of matches brilliantly, like Scott Hall, only Angle was even better than Hall.

thundarr2000 wrote: Rico Len wrote: I'm down with a 45 minute time limit draw as long as the show is good.  Ric Flair vs. Sting at Clash of Champions springs to mind. But those sort of matches require to have 2 really good guys otherwise the match will completely drag at some point.  I haven't seen any good chain wrestling on ROH, but I don't check it out that much. The last couple of ROH matches I wanted just didn't make any sense. There didn't seem to be any story within the match. The bumps were weak and the spots didn't flow together in any way.

It's cliche but try the Joe/Punk matches.